{"id":2174,"date":"2018-03-04T09:04:11","date_gmt":"2018-03-04T09:04:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.meditationmag.com\/blog\/does-being-vegan-really-help-animals\/"},"modified":"2018-03-04T09:04:11","modified_gmt":"2018-03-04T09:04:11","slug":"does-being-vegan-really-help-animals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.meditationmag.com\/blog\/does-being-vegan-really-help-animals\/","title":{"rendered":"Does being vegan really help animals?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Hey MedMag readers! I have a philosophical question that\u2019s burning in my soul, and honestly I don\u2019t know where else to post it.<\/p>\n<p>Over the past few years, I\u2019ve shifted my diet from animal-based (90% meat) to plant-based (99% plants), because I don\u2019t want animals to suffer & die for my food. Last month, I drafted up a business plan to open a vegan food company, to try to shift more of our collective diet in a plant-based direction.<\/p>\n<p><strong>There\u2019s just one philosophical question in my mind that stops me from diving whole-heartedly into this career direction:<\/strong><\/p>\n<h1><span class=\"rendered_qtext\">Does being vegan really help animals?<\/span><\/h1>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.meditationmag.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/does-being-vegan-really-help-animals.jpeg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1121\" src=\"https:\/\/www.meditationmag.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/does-being-vegan-really-help-animals.jpeg\" alt=\"does being vegan really help animals\" width=\"768\" height=\"320\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>When we see animals suffering, in PETA videos, crowded in cages, horrific slaughterhouses, etc, it\u2019s only natural to want to help them. That\u2019s why many people have become vegans. We refuse to be the monsters in this horror movie.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s nice to imagine that if we just stop eating meat, we can save those animals. But the truth is, if we all stopped eating meat tomorrow, the farmers wouldn\u2019t just open the gates and let the cows and pigs and chickens run free, to frolic happily ever after in the wilderness. The animals in the farms will still die in the farms. Vegans who stop eating animal products are simply reducing the demand for animal products. Farmers adjust to the reduced demand, and breed fewer animals.<\/p>\n<p>What that means, in the end, is that by reducing the demand for animal products, fewer animals will be born into this world. Yes, fewer animals will be killed, and fewer animals will have to live a life of suffering\u2026 but is avoiding suffering really worth never having been born at all???<\/p>\n<p>I guess what I\u2019m really asking is:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Which is worse: (a) a life that includes suffering, or (b) never having been born at all?<\/strong><\/p>\n<h1>Where do we draw the line?<\/h1>\n<p>All conscious beings experience various degrees of suffering in their lives. This is the first principle of Buddhism: Dukkha. There is suffering.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll go out on a limb here and guess that even you \u2014 yes, you \u2014 have at some point been really sick and super miserable. Maybe you\u2019ve been heartbroken, anxious, depressed, hurt, or down in the dumps. I\u2019ll go out on a double limb here and guess that you will die at some point in the future\u2026 maybe in a horrible, painful way, or maybe in a peaceful way, in old age, after many long and horrifying years of having your body and mind break down and devolve into decrepitude.<\/p>\n<p>All conscious beings experience suffering, to some degree or another. Does that mean we should all never have been born? Or only beings that suffer a LOT, like an orphan who becomes a drug addict and dies at 33 in prison?<\/p>\n<p>And what about the farm animals that actually get to grow up with their families, grazing in meadows, experiencing moments of life, love, and happiness, living half-way decent lives (before they\u2019re inevitably killed)?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Where do we draw the line between \u201clife is worth living\u201d and \u201cit would have been better if you\u2019d never been born?\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.meditationmag.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/does-veganism-help-animals.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1122\" src=\"https:\/\/www.meditationmag.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/does-veganism-help-animals.jpg\" alt=\"does veganism help animals\" width=\"725\" height=\"300\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h1>Hell vs. Oblivion<\/h1>\n<p>As a child, I grew up in an Orthodox Jewish family. In Jewish theology, there are three things that can happen to people after they die:<\/p>\n<p>1. Go to heaven<br \/>\n2. Go to hell<br \/>\n3. Eternal oblivion<\/p>\n<p>Oblivion is considered the worst fate a person can possibly have after death. Yes, worse than hell.<\/p>\n<p>Obviously, this is debatable. Buddhists, for example, seem to really like the idea of oblivion. \u201cEmptiness\u201d is one of the highest states a being can obtain, and in deep meditation, we find a kind of \u201cnothingness.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But there is some logic to the Jewish side of the debate as well. If you found yourself at the pearly gates, and were given the opportunity to choose between hell and oblivion (the red pill or the blue pill), which would you choose? <strong>Would you choose a final end, and nothingness? Or to continue to exist, though it might be painful?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.meditationmag.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/hell-vs-oblivion.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1123\" src=\"https:\/\/www.meditationmag.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/hell-vs-oblivion.jpg\" alt=\"hell vs oblivion\" width=\"800\" height=\"445\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h1>We Are Literally Making That Choice<\/h1>\n<p>For vegans like me, it\u2019s nice to think that we\u2019re saving animals and making the world a better place. But if we really think about the effects of our actions, we\u2019re actually just choosing the \u201ceternal oblivion\u201d option for animals, rather than the \u201chell\u201d option. We\u2019re giving them the blue pill \u2014 \u201cblissful\u201d nonexistence, rather than harsh existence.<\/p>\n<p>This is not even a theoretical thing\u2026 like hell doesn\u2019t really exist and it was made up by the Catholic church to scare children into submission. For cows and pigs and chickens that have yet to be born, THIS WORLD is their afterlife, into which they may or may not be born. And we, as the gods of this realm, are, consciously or unconsciously, deciding their fate.<\/p>\n<p><strong>With that heavy responsibility in mind, which would you choose for those farm animals that have yet to be born\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>(a) hell<br \/>\n(b) oblivion<\/p>\n<h1>Before You Leave an Angry Comment\u2026<\/h1>\n<p>Please remember, I am in no way \u201cagainst\u201d veganism. The whole reason I\u2019m writing this post is because I\u2019m on the verge of pushing farther into vegan activism (and vegan food) as a career path, and I want to make sure I\u2019m doing something that actually has a positive effect.<\/p>\n<p>OK. Thanks for reading! I\u2019d love to get your take on this\u2026 please leave a comment so we can actually have a real conversation \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Om lokah samastha sukhino bavantu. May all conscious beings be happy, rejoicing as one \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Much love.<\/p>\n<p>Namaste.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does being vegan really help animals? 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